I think every single driver was soaked with sweat after the race. What was your point that drivers are having it easy, dude open your eyes already. I explained exactly why some people are struggling. I'm not going to do that again for you. This is not an argument. When you're two seconds slower than me it's not a fight, it's annihilation as it should be.

To show you how obviously lost to this all you are just watch replay of Barcelona race and watch Massa/Alonso/Ricciardo overtakes. Beautiful racing.

If it so happens that for variety of strategy we witness lets say a drastic 40% of annihilation passes without fighting to see other 60% a proper racing that we would never see in first place, then so be it.

Long live DRS!

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i dont give a flying f about whether a team is struggling or not because of this or that, what i care about is racing, and we are not seeing it.

F1 should be more then having one key aspect it should be a combination, drivers should be pushed to there mental edge and shouldn't have to think twice about whether to defend their position when challenged.

You're just being ignorant, you know that right. It's a goddamn drivers problem that he is trying to make it to stop one less time than the other people around him. If you're doing that, you have some prices to pay and I sure as hell am not going to be held up by you who are two seconds a lap slower than me. Long live DRS!

P.S. And if you're so ignorant that you can't distinguish situations like that from proper racing situations such were Hamilton vs Webber in Bahrainy last quoter of the race, or Rosberg vs di Resta last laps of Barcelona to recall few from very recent times we have nothing to talk about.

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@Bingo Wings: Mercedes design never really worked, for 3 years. And Pirelli's / FIA's / Bernies / who-else? tendency was obvious from a mile up.

Barcelona was always extreme on tires. We should be hearing a whole lot less crying from Monaco / Canada! And Mercedes should be better in Monaco, since it's no overtake track.

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No i just want to see racing, i understand it wasnt good before this all im asking for is a middle ground.

This is racing that we always craved for to see on our television, for years and years this is what we shouted and envisioned for.

Imperfection, struggle and generally new things are mother of all chaos and chaos is mother of all extreme emotions. This is what we as fans want to experience. The middle ground does not exist in F1, it never did and it never will exist. Extremes is what F1 is about.

It only so seems to me like people who are rather not very competitive in LFS are the ones who don't understand this new F1 game that tires are providing. Here it goes, I'm going to give you an explanation as simple as possibly I can do to make you realize a few things.

Since a lot of us are familiar with GTR racing (be it endurance or 1hour sprint) we defenetially know that our slick model tire behaves very differently with different cambers. Hence you use somewhat 1 entire degree of camber more for qualifying than for race and completely different tire compound. Now, envision that you have to start the race in GT1 car on R2 tire and those exact qualifying cambers with full tank brother. Of course you were to burn your tires in matter of laps. This is why I think it's the stupidest thing anyone can do in F1 is build a car as Mercedes did. There is a difference. They don't run that extreme camber/tire pressures, they blow exhaust gasses into rear wheels, which then gives extra grip, which basically only works in 1 lap if you overdo it since it melts the rear tires to the ground.

If you know all this you are obviously going to build a car that is solely made for race with race cambers and race pressures and race exhaust blown diffuser. Of course you are not to have the ultimate pace in qualifying, because as already mentioned in comparison that we can experience in LFS, qualifying setup is very much different, and tire settings are only the top of the iceberg.

Then go look out and see that RedBull has always made the car for qualifying and always was on defensive strategy in race. This is why they are hated. They aren't racing, they aren't taking on a challenge, they are avoiding it with few tricks. So, now when tires are finally demanding the entirely race setup teams like Ferrari, Lotus, Force India are profiting because they have understood the game from the start and took on with it, whilst RedBull and Mercedes always looked for a way around it. FIA's role and tire suppliers role is to command the situation that everyone has to take on the challenge, not avoid it and that is what is happening right now.

And for McLaren, Sauber and Williams, tires have nothing to do with them, they changed concept of car design in final year of this sort of car design when everyone else perfected their old designs and of course the new design is doomed to struggle before it gets to grips with the things. It might be a clever thing those three teams are doing if they will have big use of it next year.

That is what is happening in this whole tire drama and I'm glad RedBull seems to be finally cought out with it. RedBull drivers are the one who are driving 8/10's, just as you would have to if you were to run hotlap setup in GTR/F1 car in race condition in LFS. RedBull drivers are the only ones to make such statements along with displeasure Mercedes drivers show. I'm just sorry for Mercedes that they didn't recognize earlier what it's all this about since they're even further on this spectrum. Any complaints from McLaren/Sauber/Williams driver about tires is ridicule since it's simply their car being in baby phase of development.

This is exactly why this season is interesting. Because two teams are cought out with stone age thinking, and other three with new car designs. This has nothing to do with the tires! Drivers always tend to make excuses, don't buy too much into them!

@Mustafur and co: It really sounds to me like you guys want every race to look like Valencia 2011? when 24 cars finished in exactly the same order they started in.

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Back in the day reliability was very very bad, pushing a car to the limits often meant breaking it.

Exactly why I'm looking forward to new engined from next year. Those things will need good amount of years to become all competitive and as much more to become bulletproof.

Quote from ChristijaNL :

I can appreciate a bit of tyre saving, but like hamilton said on the radio, ''i can't go any slower'' and u could clearly see it on all onboard shots drivers going extremely slow in the corners it is just going too far at the moment.

And what is interesting about artofficial DRS overtakes where the pass is done even before getting at the braking point?

Hamilton has a qualifying car, watch someone who doesn't have, he won't struggle with tires.

DRS overtakes are perfectly placed. As already mentioned before those who get past before the braking point are those who passed a driver who is way off the pace. If you're two seconds slower than me, it's not really interesting to battle with you. If you're let's say 0.5sec slower, then it's more interesting and overtake is done in the braking zone and in cornering! That's why I approve this DRS.

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I want to see drivers pushing themselves and theire cars too the limit.

How's it overtaking on the outside with tire lock from Massa into that hairpin, twice not pushing to the limit.
Not all of the drivers were told to save tires, top 3 certainly weren't, nor would Vettel had he been not taken a safe way out. The only driver that can save tires is Kimi and it's clearly obvious why when you watch him onboard. Let's be honest some cars just simply suck and are stuck in old fashioned thinking of driving the entire race over the limit.
Alonso showed how it's done and personally this is the best season F1 has since 2008 aerodynamics were banned in terms of racing, challenge in every area of car development and drivers skill.

And overtakes are also beautiful, nothing like a straight pass in middle of the straight, unless some driver really sucks at that moment and is like two seconds off pace, which is what you would expect really.

This is by far the best Barcelona race. It just can't be better than this at Barcelona!

Quote from Lotesdelere :

This is boring because it's a fake race. All of the pilots have been told to lift off for saving tyres. Hard tyres can't last more than 15 laps, WTH is that ? Non sense.
And I agree with Jacques Villeneuve who said on French TV: "F1 is becoming a pit stops competition with some racing laps in between."

Or maybe teams need to stop producing qualifying cars.
And maybe some teams that produce qualifying cars need to make more advantageous strategy of making an extra stop (5 stopper) rather than a stop less (3 stopper) compared to winner strategy. Obviously talking about Mercedes and RedBull here.

ah shit, Ferrari on a plus stop... It's gonna be interesting I'd say.

P.S. 4 stopper winning comfortably. If my memory serves me right, it's the first time in history and I guess Pirelli has just hit the limit. I don't mind a 4 stopper race, the whole race is very interesting so far. Just don't push it any further Pirelli.

At last a brave and smart strategy at the same time for Ferrari. I'm loving this.

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ohhhhhhhhhh Ricciardo real beauty driving. Just showing how old Webber is, how useless Vergne is.

Time for Hamilton to start making a comeback!

HELL YEAH. This is the Ferrari I remember from my childhood. \o/

LOL JB's moral rock bottom of all time.

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Ok, Webber is officially useless.

Bottas gets always good mention amongst skyf1 commentators.

Like Barcelona was never won from under p2, surely great chances for difference this time. Go Nando.

Gosh I hope Webber makes one up on Vettel this time round.

Hurray for two DRS zones in Bahrain format.

Soon enough he's up against more difficult WR's, perhaps some active hotlappers, ergo ilbens, DarknessPainF1, IMOL and maybe even MHR rank attack. I'd say it's just getting started now. :balloons:

Happy B-day R2R guys.

What's with the insulting, just makes you look daft.

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Ramla may you kick some butt in TBO nao

I dreamed S3 Silverstone last night.

Btcc final race coming up in a little while. After 3 clean Donigton and two clean Truxton races I expect some mayhem. :cookiemon

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